Re: The Official JJ Johnson Thread

by sjman409 Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:23 am

Rubber314chicken wrote:
Dave-the-drummer wrote:http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/johnrileyuptemporide.html
Listen to that ride cymbal! Oh Yea!
Wow.... I top out at like 200 with that beat.... Am I seeing Moeler in his right arm?

how are you counting because 200 for jazz is moderate. you are probably counting double time which means you top out at 400. but that would mean you have crazy fast hands so idk

by sjman409 Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:25 am

oh and its basically moeler

by Matt Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:54 am

sigh

i get so disappointed when i leave this forum alone for a few hours, and nothing goes on... how saddening...

by J. Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:02 am

sjman409 wrote:oh and its basically moeler

ehh I'll have to disagree. it doesn't really seem like moeler to me. it's more of just figner motions...

by sjman409 Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:37 am

J. wrote:
sjman409 wrote:oh and its basically moeler

ehh I'll have to disagree. it doesn't really seem like moeler to me. it's more of just figner motions...

but hes still flicking his wrist and using th rebound to produce the second hit. Albeit its not a full moeller, i would still say its moeller

by **Dave-the-drummer** Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:04 am

Its like a moeller with an extra stroke, he only uses his wrist to start the motion then its all fingers from there, its "the riley motion". Im with J, though its not really a moeller he controls it with his fingers not his wrist. Its a good technique anyways regardless of what it is.

by sjman409 Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:56 pm

well whatever way it is, its fast

by **Rubber314chicken** Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:11 pm

sjman409 wrote:
Rubber314chicken wrote:
Dave-the-drummer wrote:http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/johnrileyuptemporide.html
Listen to that ride cymbal! Oh Yea!
Wow.... I top out at like 200 with that beat.... Am I seeing Moeler in his right arm?

how are you counting because 200 for jazz is moderate. you are probably counting double time which means you top out at 400. but that would mean you have crazy fast hands so idk

oh... if its double time.... then about 115 is my max then. I'm NOT a fast drummer by any means.

by **Dave-the-drummer** Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:47 pm

Rubber314chicken wrote:
oh... if its double time.... then about 115 is my max then. I'm NOT a fast drummer by any means.

My hands are quick and i can flow around my kit pretty quick but my feet are by no means fast, they are independant but not fast. My feet are fast enough for what i do but thats it. I really have been focusing recently on my "headroom" (John Riley fans will get it), i never want to feel like i am doing all i possibly can or that i have run out of options. So recently i have been trying to increase my headroom capacity.
I think my main drumming strength is creativity, and the more head room you have the more creative yo ucan be and the more you can push the limits of your drumming. Hence why i am trying to build up and increase my head room.
Well thats my speech over "lol".

by Matt Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:10 pm

random question, you don't have to answer if you don't want to...

but just out of curiosity, how many of you all go to church on a regular basis?

by L'Astronaut Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:30 pm

Matt wrote:random question, you don't have to answer if you don't want to...

but just out of curiosity, how many of you all go to church on a regular basis?

I used to go. But I don't anymore. I probably haven't been in three or four years.

by **Dave-the-drummer** Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:52 pm

Matt wrote:random question, you don't have to answer if you don't want to...

but just out of curiosity, how many of you all go to church on a regular basis?

Hey Matt, i am a christian and i go to church everyweek (sunday morning) and then i go to youth group on sunday night. Last year we had a summer youth outreach thing and was a leader at that. Smile

by Matt Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:18 pm

i guess i should answer my question....

i basically don't go to church, ever, i may go to see a play or something if one of my cousins is in the play, but yea... basically no church for me.

(there was a rant here, but i thought it better to delete it)

by sjman409 Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:15 pm

i'm catholic and i go to church every week. but no youth group for me. i always feel weird going, i dont know why.

Oh and Dave what do you mean by head room?

by Matt Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:52 pm

i think i understand what he means, and correct me if i'm wrong.

he wants to expand his mind, so that he isn't as restricted when playing by his mind. a lot of new drummers have the exact opposite issue, their minds can hear these sick beats, but they can't physically play them, imagine just the opposite, where physically (concerning chops, and limb independence, things of that nature) you could play damn near anything, and your only limit was your mind, why not expand your mind where the limit is nowhere in sight?

by sjman409 Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:28 pm

that seems very difficult because that seems like you would have to have so much muscle memory stored

by J. Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:38 pm

headroom is liking running at 80%...

with 80% you still have 20% more that you are able to use, but you don't.
that's why people like Jay dickson practice all of that independence stuff.. and ostinatos and such. to increase their playing capability so the easier stuff like playing with a band is easier and more comfortable...

by J. Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:58 pm

oh yeah btw I posted a new clip of the CS snare and the riveted bliss...
this was actually just meant to be a sound check for the mic postion.. but I was having issues with my recorder and I couldn't record anything else for some reason.?

www.purevolume.com/jeffreykicks

by Matt Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:54 am

wow you've got the CS sounding great. i like the rivets, they add just the right amount of extra flavor.

also, the comment about Jay dickson, dead on.

by sjman409 Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:17 am

headroom - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMoMzbmdZhA

by sjman409 Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:28 am

ok so I'm going to purchase a few things and i just want to know what you guys think.
-Alfred John Riley Beyond Bop Drumming (Book/CD)
-Pearl CA-100 Mounted Cowbell Holder with Non-Marring Clamp
-Latin Percussion LP205 Timbale Cowbell
-Latin Percussion Jam Block with Bracket Low Pitch
-Latin Percussion LP-229 Mambo Cowbell
-Pearl PPS-20 Cowbell Foot Pedal Bracket

I priced it at 190.15 on musiciansfriend and if I order it, than i should get within the week or i can get it rushed for another 15 bucks. which i think i will.

oh and for one of the cowbells I'm going to mount it on a cymbal arm that I have.

by sjman409 Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:32 am

oh and maybe this: http://books-videos-music.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alfred-John-Riley-The-Master-Drummer-DVD?sku=582158

by Matt Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:58 am

sounds like a good haul man, i say go for it!

by **Dave-the-drummer** Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:00 am

Yea id say if your gonna use it get it.

And yea you guys get the headroom thing.
Hence why i was asking about really quick doubles the other day, im never really gonna use them much but it would increase my headroom capacity.

by sjman409 Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:03 pm

yeah to me it seems like another word for expanding your arsenal of playing options

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